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Archaeology and Islam #03 - The Ka'ba


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Who built the original Ka’ba? Where was it? When was it destroyed and rebuilt? Can we find the original Ka’ba?




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Video #3 This is a general transcript of a Dan Gibson video in the series: Archeology and Islam.


Hello, and welcome to another video in the series Archeology and Islam. My name is Dan Gibson. A number of viewers have asked about the Ka’ba. If Petra is the first holy city of Islam, as I claim in the books and documentary film: The Sacred City, then where was the first Ka’ba? In order to investigate this, we need to understand a number of terms and concepts.

The first term is the Black Rock: This is a small rock, less than a meter in size. It was most likely a meteor that fell to earth. Today it is broken into seven pieces.

The second word is: Ka’ba. This is a rectangular building usually covered with a back cloth. One corner is exposed so that people can see and touch the Black Stone, which has been placed in a silver holder.

The third concept is: Masjid al Haram. Up until now, this has always been the mosque that housed the Black Rock in Saudi Arabia. In the film: The Sacred City I demonstrate that this was originally in the ancient city of Petra in Jordan and rebuilt in Saudi Arabia in 98 AH or 98 years after the Hijra. We know this from an inscription found near Mecca.

The fourth word is an Arabic word: Bayt or House: This is found in Sūra 3:96: “Indeed, the first House established for mankind was that at Baka- blessed and a guidance for the worlds.”

According to Islamic records Abraham built his first house of worship in the valley where he left Hagar. Now Moses, the prophet, tells us a slightly different story. He tells us that when Abraham entered into the land, that he built an altar at Moreh which was called Bayt-El… the house of God, or Bethel.

It was in the time of Moses, the name for God was El. It wasn’t until many years later that El would be we lost among the many different Gods and idols, such as Ba’el or Baal. So it was to emphasize EL that it was made into ELLah. The One God. Ella.

But Moses tells us that this first House of Worship was built in the Plains of Moreh, which Abraham renamed Bethel or the House of God. Now Modern Studies tell us that we can find the original Bethel by using the old Roman milestones.

Both Eusebius and Jerome locate it at milestone 12, out of Jerusalem on the road to Neapolis, or modern day Nablus. So that would most likely be this hilltop in this picture. Today there are some fields at the top and a modern road across it. You can see the road as a white curving line.

So what could the verse in the Qur’an mean when it say the first house established for mankind was at Baka. I think the answer is: In Qur’anic thought: The first house at Bethel was for the Jewish people. The second house, in Qur’anic thought, was for the rest of mankind.

If that is the case, then the first house was an altar in Bethel, so therefore second house was most likely an altar as well. We know that Abraham built altars to offer burnt offerings to God wherever he moved. Now why would Abraham build these altars? We know that he would kill a sheep and offer on it a sheep as a sacrifice. This was something that all of the prophets did. It began with Adam, Abraham did it, Moses did it, and he taught all the people to do it as well.

David, Solomon, all of the prophets killed an animal and offered it as a sacrifice. If we study the old accounts, we will discover that they believed that: without the shedding of blood, there was no forgiveness of sin. So everyplace Abraham moved, he set up an altar and he offered offerings to God.

And from the Islamic records, we learn that once Ishmael was a little older, as a young boy, maybe a teenager, Abraham returned to the Valley of Becca, where he had left Hagar, and together with Ishmael he built an altar, and he taught Ishmael to offer a sacrifice to God. And this place was called the House of God. And it was sacred to the Arabs for many generations, in Becca.

Now in my studies I have shown that all of the first mosques in Islam pointed to the valley of Petra, and all of the ancient descriptions of Becca fit the valley of Petra.

So, some of the readers have asked: Where was the Ka’ba? In the book: Early Islamic Qiblas, I have tried to explain where I think ALL of the sites of early Islam were located in the valley: the well of Zamzam, the mountains of Safa and Marwa, as well as Mina and Mount Arafah.

Now in this video we want to locate the Ka’ba in Petra. We are just going to concentrate on the one topic. First: We are told that during the 2nd civil war, Al Ḥajjāj used a manjaniq (catapult) to throw stones into the holy place and he could hit the Ka’ba.


The Red arrow shows the route of the manjaniq

The Red arrow shows the route of the manjaniq


From this MAP we can see where General Ḥajjāj brought the manjaniq down the wadi. From this point he could throw stones right into the holy places of Islam.

Now after this the rebels moved to what is known as the Great Temple today, and they barricaded themselves into the temple. So the same trebuchet stones were gathered up and used to throw again against that temple. During the fighting Ibn Zubayr and his son were killed, and the fighting stopped. The stones were then gathered up and put into the abandoned storerooms near the Ka’ba area and there they are to this day.

After this, the histories tell us that Ḥajjāj tried to rebuild the Ka’ba. Now if we go to Petra today, you can see the rebuilt version of this Ka’ba. It is in exactly the right place but it is in ruins.

If you go to Petra and look at these ruins you will realize it is in exactly the right place and it is exactly the right size. It is there for all to see. Earlier archeologists have thought it was an altar for the temple, but it is right in the middle of the large courtyard. The right place where the catapult stones could reach it. And for the first 100 years of Islamic history, every mosque pointed exactly to this spot.

But this is Ḥajjājs Ka’ba. It did not have the black rock because that had already been moved to the new Masjid al-Haram in Saudi Arabia.

Now, while some people may doubt, the archeological evidence I believe Petra is the location of the altar, the House of God that Abraham and Ishmael built, and the location of the original Ka’ba, constructed by the Arabs after the earthquake in July 9, 551. 19 years before the prophet Muhammad was born. Then the people then brought all of the religious items out of the temples and churches into this courtyard where nothing would fall on them in the earthquakes that happened afterwards. And that created the Ka’ba, the place where 360 holy relics were all in one courtyard.

People started walking in circles so that they could pray in front of all of the religious objects. And then one day, while they rebuilding the Ka’ba, the people chose a young man named Muhammad to lift the Black Rock into place, and that began the story of Islam. And it all happened, here, in Petra.

If you want more information please check the book: Early Islamic Qiblas.

I am Dan Gibson, and this has been another edition in the series of: Archeology and Islam.


Bibliography

Gibson, Dan, Early Islamic Qiblas, Independent Scholars Press, 2017


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muniruddin Sat, 1AM
Salaams upon everyone!!!
muniruddin Sat, 1AM
I have a question about the “footprints of the prophet Abraham “ that apparently when he was standing on the stone, at the time when him and his on were constructing the Kaaba, apparently the place where he stood upon to place these bricks of stone on the Kaaba, he had left a print of his feet... the ones in Mecca Saudi, seem to be like a size 7/8 and in all honesty don’t seem to fit an elderly person to start with, but more so the reason I say it don’t match up is because “apparently “ when he was placing the stones of the Kaaba that were high, this place where he stood upon would raise up and allow the prophet to place the stones on the Kaaba!!! Now whether that’s true or not that’s a different question but surely if anyone has been to Mecca Saudi they would know that the “miqam Ibrahim” is at least 10/12 feet away from the Kaaba itself!!!, so I ask you , are there any such evidence to prove this had happened in Petra???
dangibson Sat, 11PM
@muniruddin You have made some very good observations. I have always considered the footprints of Abraham to be something of a myth that has developed over the years. When at Job's tomb near Salalah in Oman, I saw the footprints of Job in cement. Not ancient clay, but modern looking cement. I think in the Middle Ages people wanted to make special attractions, so the visiting pilgrims could be impressed and convinced. As you noticed, there is no way that these footprints can be authentic. Perhaps they were made by someone who wanted to convince visitors that Abraham was really in in Mecca in Saudi Arabia, and not in Mecca in southern Jordan (known to the west by the Roman name of Petra )
muniruddin Tue, 11PM
Salaams upon you and your family mr Dan Gibson... I’m not sure if you would remember me, but, a while back I had asked you a question about the “al aqsa “ and then you had made a video for me and you mentioned me by name at the beginning of the video.. I would like to start off by thanking you for making the video and also would like to thank you again for going through the effort to clarify what I had also believed to be true!!
muniruddin Tue, 11PM
I have a couple more questions, if you have the time, may you please try and answer them for me??.. the first question is about, where can I find the reference and information about the banning of the hajj to petra Jordan by the Saudi government and the UNESCO in 1985??, I’ve been searching but haven’t had any luck in finding anything about it.. another question I have for you is that on my travels to Jordan, I had booked myself into a hotel in amaan, and in the lobby there were these books that were for the tourists, I had an inclination that the prophet Mohammed was not from Mecca Saudi but from Jordan... now to my surprise I had opened this booklet and had come upon some interesting information about how the prophet Mohammed was born and had lived in a place called ar rasas, it’s now called um ar rasas, which is southeast of madaba... I’m not sure if this will help you in anyway, or, whether you knew anything about it?, .., could you please have a look into this and help me piece together the truth about where Islam really began?, and finally if you could please share with me an email address or something that I may have direct contact with you, that would be awesome!!!...my email address is uddinmunir@outlook.com , I look forward to hearing from you soon... by the way I thank you for the incredible help you have made I uncover the truth for the Muslim nations... THANK YOU!!!
dangibson Wed, 11PM
@muniruddin Thanks for your question. If you go to the text page of the Pilgrimage Video: https://nabataea.net/explore/founding_of_islam/petra-pilgrimage/ the reference you are looking for is the first of the references at the bottom of the page. It only mentions the fatwa in passing, as it was not the topic of the article. As for the booklet you saw about the prophet Mohammed being born and living in ar rasas, I would be very interested in seeing it. I wonder what sort of facts it might contain. Please let me know if it is making reference to Umm ar-Rasas... which was a Christian town 30 km south of Madaba, and on the pilgrim route for Christians going to Christian sites. It was not known as being the home to any pagans. I cannot find any reference on the Internet to Muhammad and Umm ar-Rasas. Thanks.
muniruddin Sat, 11PM
Salaams... sorry it took a while to respond back, I had to find the booklet where it mentioned th at the prophet Mohammed was from ar rasas it umm ar rasas as it is called in this day and age... however, I managed to find and locate it..., the booklet can also be found on the internet (google), I’m sure, the name of the booklet is called JORDAN religion and faith, tracing Islam!!!... I can’t post the picture of it on here but the little booklet is of a maroon/dark reddish colour booklet with a picture of a mosque on the cover... if you open the first page and on the right hand side the first paragraph you will notice that it mentions the following text:...The land of Jordan has featured many times in the lifetime of the prophet Mohammed, FIRST AT THE TIME OF HIS BIRTH AT AR RASAS, which lies southeast of madaba, when the Hamid zeid bin amr bin nufayl from Mecca is heard that a prophet would arise from Amongst his people with “the religion of Abraham “... it also mentions a few more things, some which you could have a look into and ponder about, I hope this would help pave a way also to prove that Islam did actually start in Jordan! Thanks again my friend, I hope to hear from you soon
dangibson Sun, 8PM
@muniruddin Thanks. I found an online copy at: https://issuu.com/cityway/docs/1385840618853 I was also able to download it. Unfortunately it does not give the reference for their comment on the birth of Muhammad. But I have my computers running and looking for it. Hopefully I will be able to find something and post it here.
dangibson Sun, 8PM
@muniruddin Well, I come up empty. Um Rasas was also known as Kastrom Mefa'a (there are various spellings). The closest I get are the accounts of Zayd ibn ‘Amr ibn Nufayl in pre-Islamic times searching for the true religion of Abraham. He eventually comes to a monk at Mayfa’ah, of the land of al-Balqa. This has now been positively identified as Um Rasas. This is the only connection with Islam that I have found for this location. I have seen some people saying that the monk Muheira was originally from Mefaa, but I have not found a source for that. It is unfortunate that so many people write things without giving any references for where their materials came from... so it casts doubt on everything they write... especially if it sounds fantastic to the reader.
muniruddin Sun, 11PM
I’m sorry that it lead to a dead end!!!.... I was hoping that maybe this would be a lead that would get us both a little closer to the truth!!!
muniruddin Mon, 10PM
Salaams upon you and your family mr Gibson... I have a question for you about where, or what chapter and verse from the Quran does it mention anything about the al aqsa being in a valley???, I know there’s a reference made by the hadees books but I’m trying to figure out if anything is mentioned about a valley in Jerusalem??, this way I can see ink the theory that is provided by Bukhari and co, by telling and showing people that Allah did give reference to it... this proving my point aswell as yours too, to prove that the al aqsa in Jerusalem (al quds), was not the one mentioned, but had been distorted and changed by people later on...
muniruddin Mon, 10PM
And also a very important question that I have to ask you, is, What if I wanted to perform the hajj to the original place where the Kaaba was?, would it be possible to perform this in Petra?, would I get arrested or persecuted for doing this???, I’m sure my human rights will be able to hold up, and also if I did get arrested there for trying to perform my hajj, would evidence that you have gathered stand up in a court of law???, because obviously there are very important accusations and truths that you have actually provided, what do you think will happen to people like myself trying to do a religious act of worship, by the government there??, what would be the punishment if any ???
muniruddin Mon, 10PM
I was asked earlier in a little debate about the black stone being that of manat (3rd goddess), is there any truth to that or is that a make believe story???... what are your reasons and thoughts about that??.. I thought that the goddesses were worshipped by the Nabatean people, but wasn’t sure if they were actually worshipped at the time of the prophet Abraham, could you shed some light on this also for me please... many thanks
dangibson Wed, 3PM
@muniruddin Regarding Manat: I have never seen a connection between the Black Stone and Manat in any early Islamic material. However, there is a story told from India, which took place in 1024 AD. There was a rumour that an idol of Manat had been secretly placed in the temple of Sommath. Apparently a man, Mahmud of Ghazni heard of this, and he attacked the temple, and destroyed it and took some wealth away. The caliph then gave him special recognition. Today scholars suspect that it was NOT an idol of Manat, but rather a Black Shiva Linga. (See my video Q&A # 11 Is the Ka'ba a Shiva Temple?). As for doing a pilgrimage in Petra, my recommendation is that you do not try this, as there are specific laws (a fatwa) against it. I d not want to be responsible for causing you to break the law! I hope there are other ways of getting discussion going that debating this in a court of law. As far as I know, the Qur'an does not refer to Al-Aqsa as being in a valley. My reference to Al-Aqsa being on the edge of a wadi comes from Waqidi. (Kitab al-Tarikh wa al-Maghazi - al-Waqidi al-Tarikh wa al-Maghazi, pg 69 The Islamic Conquest of Syria )
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